All this is implied: the interview

Thanks to the ghost of Hartley Coleridge for encouraging me to do this interview and for assuming bodily form to conduct it in person. It took place in my attic, with Hartley seated by a round window sucking on a pipe throughout, while I perched on a ripped beanbag in the corner of the room, trying not to show how nervous I was. 


HC: I imagine things have changed somewhat since my day, but I’m sure I won’t be the only reader curious as to how you found someone to publish your poems?

WH: I’d been sending poems to Helena Nelson at HappenStance for years – possibly since 2013, though not consistently. There was a two-and-a-half-year gap where, after finishing a Masters in poetry, the last thing I wanted to do was write poetry. 

The muse deserted you? 

My dad is English and my mum Indonesian. For a long time I’d thought of Indonesia’s culture and history as basically irrelevant to me, or to the Anglophone literary tradition I wanted to be part of – made up of writers like you and your dad. I had a minor crisis when I realised I couldn’t – for various reasons – write like that.

So you went ‘native’?

I read about Indonesia, yes, but I went to the library and tried to read as widely and randomly as possible – the short stories of Pramoedya Ananta Toer, but also Robert Louis Stevenson’s letters, or Grundrisse, or Robin Blackburn’s Overthrow of Colonial Slavery, 1776-1848

A programme of self-improvement?

I didn’t get very far. But eventually I reached a point where I could look back on the mountain village of poetry, which had previously felt claustrophobic and restrictive, from such a distance that the surrounding white wilderness was visible, along with a ski-lift, and a patch of grass where a goat and small child clonked along a muddy path… Most importantly, I could see myself.

As a clonking goat and child? This mountain village analogy reminds me of that James Baldwin essay – we do read in the afterlife – where he moves to the Alps and the local children think he’s the devil. Do you know it?

Yes! Remember Baldwin’s brilliant insight: “Most people are not naturally reflective any more than they are naturally malicious”. People turn a blind eye to the legacy of slavery or to continued grinding exploitation because it’s so easy to. Or, at least, it’s much harder not to. In general, we’re less motivated by spite than by a desire for simplicity

How does this relate to writing?

Choosing simplicity means not questioning your vantage-point; it means mistaking your own perspective for a universal one. It took me years of not-writing to realise I couldn’t write from an invisible, vantage-less perspective, but had to write out of my own confused, mimicking, mixed experience.

Very good. How did the poems come together?

The pamphlet came together because of Helena at HappenStance, really. She’s an amazing person, editor and writer, and, even at my lowest ebb, gave me the kind of sensitive, critical feedback that made me think there was still some point in writing. HappenStance has two yearly reading windows – in July and December – during which she puts herself at the service of hundreds of poets for no material gain whatsoever – with some material loss I imagine. I just kept sending to her in those windows until she decided to publish some of my poems. As far as I’m concerned, the fact people like Helena exist – people who organise their lives around a belief in the importance of poetry – is the thing that makes poetry important. 

Do you imagine this interview will be of use to someone putting their poems into – what do you call it? A “pamphlet”? 

Probably not. But, since you’re here, could I take a moment to say how much ‘Long time a child‘ makes me choke up – that part where you say ‘I’ve lost the race I never ran’…

Thank you. That seems to be the poem people remember, if they do remember one…

Do you wish you were more read? Or that you’d written more and been more read in your lifetime? I mean, when you call yourself the ‘living spectre of [your] father dead’ that’s pretty dark. It makes it sound as if you saw yourself as a ghost – the shadow of your father – even when you were alive?

To be born with the urge to write while also being the son of so great and loved a poet… It was hard. But we’re all of us – to differing extents – spectres, working with the light cast by our predecessors, and writing is simply an extension of who you are which, in turn, is an extension of who they were. 

You were happy with your career then?

I was happy…

Which is what counts… I guess? I’m just reading over your sonnet again, and maybe isn’t as grim as I thought. I’d like to live out my years in a ‘lagging May’, rather than with a constant awareness of time’s ‘rathe’ blade. And if you can write what matters to you – what only you can write – then maybe it doesn’t matter who reads it. If you can find a few readers – a few people – who care, then maybe… – wait, Hartley, where are you?


A few beans fell out of the ripped side of my beanbag as I stood up. Hartley was gone, his spirit off to wander like a breeze by lakes and sandy shores.

If you want to read All this is implied – and to support HappenStance – you can buy a copy of it here

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